Christopher Mark Wingate – a blogger who perpetuates bullshit

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It was just after tea on Saturday evening that a notification light on Facebook caught our attention. It was a post from Mike Smith, letting us know about a blog written by self-proclaimed social critic Christopher Mark Wingate titled NZ Where the hell do they get that bullshit from?. We clicked over for a read and what we found was not only disappointing, but a barbed jab at all Maori.

The blog started off: I grew up with Maori in the toughest part of Rotorua. Although most of myfriends were Maori, I never noticed their color, we were just friends and we all got on well.

You didnt have to be psychic to know where this rant was heading.

And so inrecent timesI get sick of hearing certain Maori screaming of injustice claiming that pre European Maori society was pure perfection and utopia. They claim Whiteman destroyed their lovely calm & peaceful culture which they pretend they had a conservative well ordered loving society who’s approach was respect for all things of nature. Where the hell do they get that bullshit from? The reality was, their society was daily war, slavery, and instability. And I’m sure if they had better machines of war it would have been a complete bloodbath.

It seemed that while Christopher failed to notice the colour of his Maori friends (lol), he was able to understand how lucky his mates were that Christopher and his descendants had arrived in Aotearoa to save them from daily war, slavery and instability. That last line caught my eye (ahemmeasles, venereal disease, small pox, muskets, but who’s counting…) yet could sense that worse was yet to come.

We all get so sick of hearing that fictional bullshit from what are blatant extortionist racists cashing in while denying their own history. We have stepped up to the plate and confessed the treachery of the Waitangi agreements and have sort to make reasonable corrections. But what worries me is the kiwi pc mob mollycoddling Maori into a victim mentality.

So, while Christopher was ignoring his mates ethnicity, he also wanted to deny that any harm had been caused by European, and more directly, British imperial expansion into the South Pacific. Two hundred years of colonial subjugation experienced by Maori was bullshit told by blatant extortionist racists cashing in while denying their own history, in his humble opinion.

Too many involved in violence and anti social action scream their actions are a direct result of being a victim of the colonising European oppression. It has given them nothing but an excuse to ignore their own duty of care and responsibility for their own destiny.

With a subtle contradiction, he seemed to acknowledge European oppression but again, chose to overlook it and instead saw violence and anti-social behavior by Maori as a modern problem. It was then I started to anticipate what we would say next:

Some of you would know of my close friendships with some of the most successful Maoris’

And there it was. The classic some of my best friends are Maori

[People] like Peter Tapsell, Mike and Doug Tamaki realised at a young age that hard work and self pride was the method of getting ahead. Other Maori friends including those in gangs choose a lifestyle which includes too much partying, drugs, drink, poor diet, smoking, no exercise, bad budgeting, little attention to educationon a backdrop ofillegal and at times anti social activity. I love them heaps as mates and as such I say it as it is. We all grew up at the same schools and had the same opportunities; it’s just the choices we make and the need to accept a responsibility for those choices.

Now, theres no denying that many whanau have focused on education, on broadening their range of possibilities to create opportunities. That is awesome. What is a problem was, according to Christopher, we have the good, hard working Maori on one side and bad, partying, drugs, drink, poor diet, smoking, no exercise, bad budgeting, little attention to educationon a backdrop ofillegal and at times anti social activity Maori on the other.

To me, it seemed bad enough that he had ignored Maori identity and history, but he was now separating Maori into 2 camps the good and the bad and showed an easy way for any Maori to transition from one side to the other.

We simply need to end the racist pc industry which has been fostered by vote grabbing politicians, supported by pc bleeding heart ignorant liberals of which only the benefit is going tolawyers and a narrow band of senior Maori’sabusing theirtribal fiduciary positions. The management of our country is a mess. NZ must get on with planning a common future for a collective good. The pc policies must end, as it is only allowing too many Maori the excuse to depend on a system that treats them like victims.

Like all conservative zealots, the enemy wasnt colonisation, it wasnt forced integration and assimilation; it wasnt poverty; no, it was that New Zealand had too many PC policies, too many bleeding heart liberals, too many lazy Maori in gangs and all were taking the country to hell in a hangi basket.

As for certain Maori who rant total shit about the invading foreigners, I often ask them which wooden boat has the original sovereign ownership and did that give that canoe priority over all that followed.

Because Christopher never recognised the tribal identity of neither his mates, nor their history, it wouldnt take much to assume he would totally miss the relationship developed between Maori and the Crown through the 1835 Declaration of Independence and with the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi. But I digress

Or, is this about the fact Whiteman arrived?

In response, from whanau Ive spoken with over the years, sure it was about who arrived in as much as it was about what happened upon and after arrival. Even a quick look through the history of New Zealand would show that good intentions always carried with it notions of discovery, expansion, conquest where necessary and empire. The British Empire. Aotearoa, Te Wai Pounamu, Rakiura and Rekohu were all potential resources for the engine of empire.

Rather than realising NZ has been built for the common benefit of all who live here, too many Maori like the Mihaka’s complain about everything. I wish Dr Who could drop them back into the 17th century for a few years to give them a reality check.

I dont mean to be flippant but I really started to laugh here because if anyone needed to be dropped off by Dr Who for a reality check, it would be Christopher.

We need to stop the separation of NZ and end the excuses caused by bad choices and accept the responsibilities of taking our country forward. While we remain focused on this fictional costly pc bullshit, our country and its macro and micro economicstructures are being eroded. So faralmost 3,000,000 acres of our home has beensold to offshore interests to pay for our time wasting non productive parasitic political, justice and welfare structures.

The Australian film The Castle, where a small neighbourhood defends itself against the expansion plans of a neighbouring airport, immediately came to mind. The infamous line now I know what the Aboriginies felt like was said, summing up a familys frustration at being over-run by a wealthy developer next door and acknowledging the pain, hurt, anguish and humiliation faced when a new group look to remove and replace existing communities.

Christopher is no Darryl Kerrigan but it is clear to see he is frustrated by new comers, offshore interests he likes to call them (because, as Christopher said to me in a brief Facebook chat Im not racist).

Today we are going backwards and the pace is increasing for the worst unless we gain leadership who spell out the realities of responsibily (sic). The kiwi pc sucking machine has gone on for too long.

Christopher now sounds a rallying call to arms to shut out foreigners, to shut down anything for the poor and to shut up Maori.

In what seems a strange twist, he then asks people to join a Facebook group to Save Matakana Island. Christopher is apparently on a crusade against Maori Trustees on Matakana, claiming they are corrupt, intend to sell the Island out and should be brought down.

I then went back and looked at Mike Smiths original post and understood a bit more:

I grew up with Pakeha in the toughest part of Rotorua. (41 Bellingham Cres in Ford Block to be exact) Although some of my friends were Pakeha, I never noticed their color, we were just friends and we all got on well. And so inrecent timesI get sick of hearing certain Pakeha screaming of injustice claiming that European society was pure perfection and utopia. They claim Maori destroyed their lovely calm & peaceful culture which they pretend they had a conservative well ordered loving society who’s approach was respect for all things of nature. Where the hell do they get that bullshit from?

To this script reversal, Christopher replied:

“Any European claiming their society was utopia would be a nut. In fact I don’t think I know of any names of any community leaders, spokesmen, commentators or historians who have ever made that claim. It was far from it. It’s history is in fact well recorded and not denied. As pointed out in that article, there is no doubt Waitangi breaches occurred. You have heard my korero on that.

You have heard my disquite that the only real partyies gaining from the Waitangi industry are a narrow band of either lawyers or those in a fiduciary capacity on behalf of iwi who are into self service. Not all but too many.

I am all into settlements, what I am not into are racist policies which are a mistake.
The article makes clear- certain Maori—- My words —

“And so in recent times I get sick of hearing certain Maori screaming of injustice claiming that pre European Maori society was pure perfection and utopia. They claim Whiteman destroyed their lovely calm & peaceful culture which they pretend they had a conservative well ordered loving society who’s approach was respect for all things of nature. Where the hell do they get that bullshit from ?”

We all know NZ is in the shit. It lacks leadership, accountability and direction. We are all in this together.

But are we Christopher? Really??

He hints at universalism but more, shows that no one was good as him and that ethnicity, most directly those who did not agree with him and his, was inherently bad.

I wish our world of humans would take down their walls of tribal race, religion, rights and that we would all be kind, fair, realistic and forward thinking. That rule is a gain for all of mankind. We cling too much to the past, have too much faith in a fictional almighty and forget the responsibilities of the now and tomorrow.

Wow I wish our world of humans would take down their walls of tribal race, religion, rights and that we would all be kind, fair, realistic and forward thinking. Yes, this was written in 2010 and not 1710 and yes, the sentiment remains the same. Strip these bad natives of everything they have so that we can rebuild from the ground up.

I tried to talk to Christopher, who seemed friendly enough and added a few comments on his Facebbok page to challenge what he and others had written. I returned to the posts later this afternoon (Sunday) and found my posts had gone. In a way, I was not surprised that Christopher was all for freedom of expression but not in favour of allowing others to voice their opinion.

His korero is not new; neither is his ignorance. Christopher Mark Wingate, while trying to highlight one issue, that of Saving Matakana Island, proceeded to annihilate any trace of Maori from this country. Bad enough he never truly recognised the identity of his friends now he was attacking ALL MAORI and any potential immigrants, oh sorry, overseas interests. His intentions may be sincere to himself but it would seem hard, if not impossible, to back someone who pisses on everyone just to get at a few.

Again, Christopher is no Chris Carter, as his delivery was just as bad as the message. Instead, he sums up a scared, frightened element of our community afraid to look at a past not his own with any sense of wonder and achievement. By claiming the moral and historical high ground, he seeks to undermine any engagement with Maori, most particularly those on Matakana Island, and chooses instead to call out any bad Maori, which honestly seems to be most Maori bar those who receive his tick of approval. I did not find him out right racist, just partially ignorant, but still his words have an audience. He seems to be the proverbial cant teach an old dog new tricks.

But honestly to his Maori mates with friends like Christopher, who really needs enemies. Might be time to trade this bro in for someone who actually appreciates you

Potaua
31 July 2010
TangataWhenua.com

NOTE: To view the original blog, please click here: http://idiotsinpower.blogspot.com/2010/07/nz-where-hell-do-they-get-that-bullshit.html
Oh and apologies to the whanau for swearing on this blog. P.

16 COMMENTS

  1. Well let me start- what a pile of crap raised by one tree hill tree killer maori activist Mike Smith re the comment I deleted what I didn’t like I didn’t work out until I had used facebook for sometime and realised Smith was the one to delete block me thereby removing the posts- I stand square ready to debate the Matakana Island maori leadership theft and murder and fraud any time anywhere bring your tapes your supporting documents and let have it out .
    As for me ‘perpetuating bullshit’ read the fuck what I said- again today I saw Hone Harawera bitching about publicity over Maori representing a high number of inmates in jail with the crowd screaming it was white mans fault – fault they were jailed for
    Committing crime- wtf

  2. I'm still waiting for you to write an article on the iwi leadership selling Matakana Island.
    And you said you were going to contact Maori TV to find out about them getting threats after doing filming on the Matakana fraud.

    To help you- here is a list of the iwi leadership http://lawisanass-wingate.blogspot.com/2010/05/te

    This is about the murder of the Waitangi claims manager from Matakana- Sonny Tawhiao http://lawisanass-wingate.blogspot.com/2010/04/pa
    and http://matakanamurder.blogspot.com/

    This is how the iwi main men Shaw and Ingham stole their way into my deal http://matakanaleadership.blogspot.com/2007/11/cr

  3. I have always wondered Dear People , did the white man fight the Maori by his own rules , or was some illegal mechanism involved . Did the Pakeha break the somewhat devious rules of internecine conflict , or did they just win hands down ?

    And the money back thingy ? Sorry to bring it up , but not a person in my circle has ever heard of Muru . Have You ? Muru being what is currently in play , methinks . Sorry to be Victorian .

  4. @ Geonuku on August 11th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    What are you talking about? I was the buyer of Matakana no other buyer was involved. I dont think you have read any of the facts.

    You say-

    "is not surprising then to find that Christopher seems to want to highlight to demise of ST at matakana after he(CMW) was involved in pursuing the same sale of matakana to a different buyer"

  5. What happened to the attack on me ? You shot at me and I have answered and directed people to the documents. Yet when I search google I can see someone for political reasons have tagged this article to my name as much as they can. Now I don't care too much about that, but what is of more interest is the total lack of Tangatawhenua.com to write about the fraud and theft of Matakana Island- why don't you write about the im portant issues- the death of Sonny Tawhiao- the leaders of NgaiTerangi selling Matakana island and cashing up for their own pockets- where are your articles on these issues?

  6. From Facebook just one of dozens.The Matakana people know I am not the enemy.Perhaps this page is better served correctly reading the real injustice which is the theft of Matakana Island, the sale of Matakana and the murder of Waitangi manager Sonny Tawhiao.

    Moutere Hard August 18 at 4:31pm Report

    Hey Chris i would just like to formally apologise to you for what i said earlier. Im aware now that im taking my frustrations and anger out on the wrong person after talking with my father i now understand the situation alot more. I found the page save matakana Island and it just upset me alot to see uncle soonys fuken car posted on that wall thats all. My fathers name is Greg Takiari Tukaki. He has explained what happend with farr, Blakely Pacific, ITT Rayonier and the TKC group. I hope will accept my apology and i will remove those comments. The old man sez hi by the way.

  7. Difficult issues comparing different peoples perspectives of cultural impact and effects because primarily peoples experiences differ according to their social position and level of "objectivity". Windy's experience is always going to be different from Christopher,Beau and Potaua, and anyone else for that matter. I believe social objectivity to be a difficult state for anyone to achieve, what I have experienced is that people highlight the issues that affect them most in their own pursuits/agendas.

    It is not surprising then to find that Christopher seems to want to highlight to demise of ST at matakana after he(CMW) was involved in pursuing the same sale of matakana to a different buyer and has lost out to other sharks that seem to hover around any handy washed up whale carcass opportunity such as Matakana especially since the foreshore and seabed Act has now gone full circle back to zero…. ppl do what they always do…(ne Beau) those that have the flashest PR/haka/advertising campaign get to bury the real issue under the bones of a passionate peoples advocate (ST). Ka aroha ke te tangata nei e pena tonu tona kaha aroha ki tona whenua ahakoa na wai te mahi i mate noa. kia tau te rangimarie ki a ia.

    Sorry bud not interested in your film it would seem to be using someone elses love for his land to promote your own political/legal/PR/advertising campaign.

  8. Your country- read this- http://lawisanass-wingate.blogspot.com/2010/08/ma

    ……….The official police report suggests- Sonny Tawhiao took a can of petrol from his boot of his car, removed his green knitted top and both gumboots and set fire to them at the rear right wheel. Police suggest he lit the petrol first then threw the top and boots into those flames. He then poured petrol throughout the interior of the car and then poured petrol under the boot leading up to the left front door which was left slightly ajar. He then put the petrol can into his boot. Police say he then got into the car and lit the car on fire.

    I spent several weeks investigating Sonny's death and was shocked at how much the police hid from the official file. This is a very dangerous subject and my family have again received threats just last week.

    But let me say this, wait for the film.

  9. Hi Windy,

    Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. Ive enjoyed reading your thoughts – and in a lot of ways, there is much more that you know about that I dont — sometimes I tend to be very generalised in the way I think, so if it comes across like that, at least you know now! 😀

    Windy >

    Ae Beau you are right we need to heal and then move on, I deviate in terms of who needs to cross the line. When you think of all that has happened to Maori as a result of the lies and deceipt the out and out theif using legislation and policied to mention a couple of tools, it simply makes you mad.

    Yes we need to move onwards and upwards. We need our lands to be unlocked, we need economic development and opportunities. We need to talk about what business structures we want in place, do we get rid of the middle man deal direct to the farmers. Ethical trade.

    Do we need to know our international rights ie Declaration of Indepence and what does that mean for us etc.

    You see as I am aware the stats we have here in Aotearoa is not specific to Maori Kao! all indig people exhibit the same stats in a Western Democracy ,so what does that mean,INTERESSTING!

    Me >

    Yes, Indigenous people worldwide have all suffered at the hands of Western Democracy – but it goes further than that — many peoples have suffered at the hands of a power mongering political system, whether on a family level, tribal level, community level or regional level.

    In this, we need to think outside the box — who said we have to play by the rules of the current rulers in power? Or those holding the wealth? The problem as I see it, is that there needs to be a clear, powerful vision that EVERYONE needs to get on board with – one that benefits everyone, and not just those who hold the power (who eventually succumb to corruption) — without a unified front, groups become easier targets to dismantle.

    Windy wrote >

    See that is what I am talking about, we should get on and forget mmmmmmm! yet it is expected that we will keep up the justice fight for the Jews in the Holocaust, injustice is injustice dont matter where in the time line it happened and if people are benefiting from the injustice they are no better than those that took it in the first place so Beau I dont agree!!!!

    Me >

    Yes, we should keep up the justice fight, but I do believe that at some point healing needs to be completed and not stunted by focusing continually at what another has done to us. I dont believe that people should forget about what has been done – not at all – there needs to be acknowledgement – from both parties would be awesome – but sometimes, or most times – it doesnt happen that way — so it becomes up to the ones who have been wronged or connected culturally and/or geneologically to do the healing themselves – and at the end of it all, there needs to come a point where they can truly let go and move forward – taking any positive learnings (not negative learnings) about the past and use them to create an awesome future for ourselves, and our future generations.

    Ask yourself this > At what point will I be satisfied and feel justified and able to move on in a positive manner with no ill feeling? What is it going to take?

    The answer, for myself at least, is simple, but it took a long time to get there.

    Windy >

    Beau its a British empire approach to control of all resources its greed NOT a PHENOMINA. Hell its in their paternalistic, insecure genes.

    They need to forgive themselves and then come on board with us.

    Me >

    Look, im no fan of the British Empire – and I know they are FAR from perfect and have basically raped and molested large parts of the Earth because they felt they had the right to. But you know? They are only one part of the story – many empires have come and gone that have been equally, if not more brutal and relentless in their endeavours – and not all of them were British or even European.

    Sure, it is Greed (to the max) – but is Greed limited to only the British Empire? I say it isnt. Is it limited only to Pakeha? I say it isnt. Greed is a phenomena that is intrinsic to ALL humans who succumb to its grasp – whether they are British, Spanish, Greek, Italian, American, Chinese, Japanese, Russian or Maori — everyone is capable of everything atrocious about our HUMAN race, because this isnt something limited to race or culture.

    And also, it isnt just in their genes – its in our genes too. Unless of course, Maori and by extension, Indigenous people worldwide are exempt from the grip of corruption and power? I wish it were so.

    Cheers mate!

    Beau

  10. Kia Ora Tangata Whenua for the stunning mahi of exposure and encouragement. Yes it isnt news for those who have in the past been labeled by the like of conservative Maori who didnt want to rock the boat who encouraged silence and assimilation.

    The arguments from Maori, we have pakeha in us, I have moko who are pakeha, kia tau te Rangimarie etc.

    Well its great to be alive right now as a Maori. To all those who have struggled against injustice and Maori on behalf of my whanau Kia Ora.Its because you kept up the fight against all odds AND YOUR PEOPLE!

    Ae Beau you are right we need to heal and then move on, I deviate in terms of who needs to cross the line. When you think of all that has happened to Maori as a result of the lies and deceipt the out and out theif using legislation and policied to mention a couple of tools, it simply makes you mad.

    Yes we need to move onwards and upwards. We need our lands to be unlocked, we need economic development and opportunities. We need to talk about what business structures we want in place, do we get rid of the middle man deal direct to the farmers. Ethical trade.

    Do we need to know our international rights ie Declaration of Indepence and what does that mean for us etc.

    You see as I am aware the stats we have here in Aotearoa is not specific to Maori Kao! all indig people exhibit the same stats in a Western Democracy ,so what does that mean,INTERESSTING!

    Beau wrote

    "At some point, people need to take responsibility for themselves. Blaming another for our lot in life doesnt do anyone any good in the longterm – it creates powerlessness and perpetuates the separation between people who are decades if not centuries away from the point of origin"

    See that is what I am talking about, we should get on and forget mmmmmmm! yet it is expected that we will keep up the justice fight for the Jews in the Holocaust, injustice is injustice dont matter where in the time line it happened and if people are benefiting from thet injustice they are no better than those that took it in the first place so Beau I dont agree!!!!

    Beau I dont mean to sound attacking but I and my family have been marginalised, factory and now unemployed fodder and annoyance to the pakeha.

    I want to move on but heek not if I am asked to ive more of what I dont have.

    I take responsability to provide for my whanau when we lack real leadership. However I will not take responsability for how…. I do it…. if I only have 3 unfavourable options.

    So yes Beau there will be a time when the pakeha will have to move over its and international indigenous phenomina going on and I am EXCITED!

    BEAU SAID

    Bullshit isnt only a “British-Empire” phenomena – its a HUMAN phenomena. Man will continue to dominate his fellow man to his injury. Its an infection that doesnt favour one race or colour over another.

    Beau its a British empire approach to control of all resources its greed NOT a PHENOMINA. Hell its in their paternalistic, insecure genes.

    They need to forgive themselves and then come on board with us.

    G

  11. Hi Potaua,

    For me, the issue here is not that complicated.

    At some point, people need to take responsibility for themselves. Blaming another for our lot in life doesnt do anyone any good in the longterm – it creates powerlessness and perpetuates the separation between people who are decades if not centuries away from the point of origin.

    In saying this, there needs to be acknowledgement – hurt and injustice needs to be acknowledged for true healing to take place – however, once past issues have been acknowledged, there comes a point where we need to choose to move on, without having our heads turned back to the past.

    Bullshit isnt only a "British-Empire" phenomena – its a HUMAN phenomena. Man will continue to dominate his fellow man to his injury. Its an infection that doesnt favour one race or colour over another.

    imo, we need to let it all go – forgive – and build a future that is free from the fetters of the past.

    Im ready….

    Beau

  12. How on earth can you twist a well meaning artical that is actually in support of decent hard working Maori.. into that..I will never know..?? but please yourself Potaua. I pity you.

  13. Awesome korero – agree with everything you say here. Sadly responding to such diatribes, which are really nothing one can't hear on any given day on talkback, take up far too much of our valuable time aye? You can lead a horse to water … Keep up the awesome korero!

  14. And for the record, I grew up in Rotorua too, so many of those who Christopher claims "scream their actions are a direct result of being a victim of the colonising European oppression" are my whanau, just like those in gangs and Peter Tapsell. My agenda is to respond to riacist rhetoric and to stick up for my whanau as some people want to pull us down just so they can get ahead.

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