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John Key to ban hangi (Facebook/Twitter rumour or fact?) UPDATED 10:57am

John Key to ban hangi (Facebook/Twitter rumour or fact?) UPDATED 10:57am


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UPDATE (10:57am): TangataWhenua.com has just received clarification from the Office of the Prime Minister saying “There is no plan to ban hangi.”

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Read on if you want to find out how it may have all started:

Facebook and Twitter is all abuzz with rangatahi taking issue with the fact that hangi might be banned by Prime Minister John Key, so what’s this all about? We’re trying to piece this all together but think a few things have happened.

  1. John Key left the Waitangi Day celebrations without sharing kai hakari with the hosts (a big no-n0 as the symbolism behind it affirms relationships and helps build trust).
  2. The impending Food Bill which has dark overtones suggests that being able to grow and sell kai will become overly bureaucratic, filled with rules and regulations that serve no real purpose and harm whanau seeking to grow their own kai via community gardens which some commentators have suggested will mean hangi could be banned (especially in terms of selling hangi for fundraising events).
  3. Someone has spread word that as a result of 1 (Key not appreciating hangi) and 2 (the food bill) that hangi could be banned.

But no on the face of it hangi being banned is not on the Key-lead National government’s 100-day policy goals BUT the upcoming Food Bill will result in significant changes in how we grow, share and sell kai at a community and marae level.

With that said, we’ve heard that if a school holds over 100 sausage sizzles in a year, the Food Bill rules will come into effect, so where does that leave our beloved and hangi reka, hmmm too soon to tell.

TangataWhenua.com has contacted the office of the PM and is still awaiting a reply.

We’ll watch this one, so keep in touch and get informed.

(33) Comments

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  2. naey

    john key yu cn hve a fat shit , liek fuck yu r goin to ban hangis! ur stupid words wont stop us from hvn hangis! go sumwea else and ruin thea country !

  3. Missy

    First we get the lands taken away, then our Kai Moana now they want to take away what us Maori have been doing for hundreds of years our famous hangi. Who on earth does John Key think he is it's all about money money money. They say they are here for the people but what part of it do people like us have our say, also what gives them the right to say we can't grow our own veges as well. It's hard enough living yet alone trying to survive on a wage with sad the bare minimum. Think about single parents, or one salary earner with a family or pensioners. Think about the kids when schools have to fundraise what are they gunna sell ticket and say it's for our football club, but first we have to get John Keys authority b4 we can go ahead. Honestly to me I think everyone who runs for parliament are all lairs and deceivers they say what u want to hear but then change it once in the seat. Who are they to say u can't eat this and that it's like saying you are no longer a Maori or islander you are now pakeha. It's like do as I say not as I do, of I want a hangi I'll have a hangi and not u or anyone is gunna tell otherwise that my culture and that's how it's been since I was young and it will stay. I'm Maori and proud of who I am, you are who you are stand up and be proud coz I am, but there maybe one thing that I might not be proud of and that's a new zealander coz of the way the government is running it. Everyday is a struggle not just me but everyone so just remember one mind, one love, one life so feed yr mind, love yrself and live your life the way u see fit by yr way not anyone else's.

  4. Nelson Wahanui

    Lets not pitch the tent too early and wait till we see which way the wind blows. Restrictions to selling or producing certain foods that are harmful to our health is most desireable (for all taxpayers). Polynesian people (not just :) are affected by Diebetes, Heart Disease, & morbid obesity know that poor food availablity and addiction is the main contributer. Less sugar, processed foods, fatty and salty saturated foods (poor food)need to be inaccessible through price, production and sale. KFC becomes a treat and not a weekly meal for the whanau, and not being able to sell sausages (cheap & fatty meat), sugary drinks, and cheap bread (bad for health if over consumed)has got to be good for us. The government cant monitor what you pass to your neighbour thats just plain silly and scaremongering. I cant light a fire without a permit, so already there is control over my much loved and healthy hangi. I have also have bought hangi and found them steamed in all tin foil (tasteless)and some people use cheap food or in very small amounts (rip offs). Polynesian people need a serious change to our food production & availablity, and maybe this bill could bring the debate and changes needed to improve health and reduce the health costs associated with poor diet...

    1. DigitalMaori

      I agree, except the number of people who have died from foodborne illness pales in comparison to say drink driving - issues around say for instance 18 year olds being able to buy alchohol (and the consequences of that) - so why the overkill on food and local small time growers, when the govt won't even deal with issues that are seriously hurting NZers?

    2. Ania

      1) FYI-hangi is NEVER cooked in foil it is cooked in baskets lined with leaves (for flavour) and often served in foil to keep hot. 2) outdoor fires for heating or cooking like hangis or brazier fires are allowed, but must be in conditions where any smoke, ash or other discharge to air is not a nuisance to neighbours or noxious. These fires can generally be burned without further permission in most areas of NZ with the exception of hangis and umus on Waiheke or Great Barrier islands. You will need a permit in these areas, these are issued free of charge! 3) dont you think if "changes are needed to improve health and reduce the health costs associated with poor diet" McD's, Burger King etc should be banned first? seriously!

  5. Shaz Cooper Stone

    Who really believes this garbage....even if it was true I for one would niot take the slightest bit of notice. Hangi, Umu, barbeque....they are just all different ways of cooking kai. Hangi just happens to be a Maori way of cooking kai. No one can say what or how we can cook our kai.

  6. RadMaoriGirl

    To eliminate it from the beginning have a read... www.kotewakaminenga.com/ Name – Ko Te W(h)akaminenga o Nga Hapu o Nu Tireni/Aotearoa The Confederation of The United Tribes of N.Z/Aotearoa/1835 Who we are We are the Collective known as Te W(h)akaminenga o Nga Hapu o Nu Tireni/Aotearoa known also as The Confederation of The United Tribes of Aotearoa 1835 and committed to its principles. We are Tangata Whenua (Indigenous Sovereign people) Te Wakaminenga are for Fairness, Truth and Justice for all. About us We stand for people helping people. We are transparent no hidden agenda Te W(h)akaminenga is not about Racial discrimination We are committed to treat all people equal regardless of Race, Religion, Colour, or Creed. Against the sale of all S.O.E (State Owned Enterprise) Vision Reaffirm our Sovereign rights once and for all. Have Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II honour the contract namely Te Whakaputanga 1835 and Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840. Have her Majesty Queen Elizabeth abolish her Settlers Corporate Company Parliament. Take back control of Aotearoa under Ko Te Whakaminenga o Nga Hapu o Nu Tireni/Aotearoa. We have an official registered Common Seal in the care and custody of the Collective designed and authorised by the late Matiu Kauri Tuhourangi Tarawa. No one individual or group to drive this Kaupapa But to be driven as a Collective The 1835 Declaration and Te Tiriti o Waitangi 1840 states (to leave our personal animosities behind and to come together as a Collective :) (United we Stand divided we fall) The Kaupapa (purpose) is driven by every Rangatira of each Hapu and its members not by any individual. The success of this vision depends upon You Me and every person lawfully living in Aotearoa. Three stages: 1 – Gather signatures of support from Rangatira and Hapu member’s world wide. 2 – Present it at Waitangi for approval on the 28th Oct 2011 3 – Once approved arrange a meeting with her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II hand delivered to her on the 6th Feb 2012 with the Governor General present. Attending will be a contingent of at least 500 to a 1000 Kuia / Koroua / Kapa Haka teams and supporters. To achieve these outcomes the Collective have Printed, Launched, and circulated a document containing. 1 – Historic evidence 2 – Violations: (These are but a few of the many much researched and documented violations. 3 – Resolutions. This document is designed for tutorial purpose to bring the individuals understanding up to speed as it is self explanatory. At the conclusion of this document and should you approve and agree to support it please follow the directions on the underlined page below and sign it. Please also make every effort to gather and fill each page with signatures and return it before 28th Oct 2011 Pages are also provided for Nationalities other than Maori lawfully living in New Zealand to sign if they agree to support us. Please send all correspondence to The Collective Coordinator P.O. Box 98739 Manukau. 2241 To download document go to: www.kotewakaminenga.com We are driven to achieve Fairness, Justice and truth for all concerned. To all the face book families please use your face book site to direct people who are interested to this website. Na Te: Ko Te Whakaminenga o Nga Hapu o Nu Tireni/Aotearoa.

  7. Gosman

    You ask the question whether this is rumour of fact and then the rest of your post reads like you are spreading rumours. Perhaps if you actually tried to get some facts on this rather than making largely unsubstantiated and plainly incorrect statements it would help resolve this. For a start John Key is not really doing anything. The food bill is really a cross party piece of legislation so Parliament is responsible not one politician. I agree with Morgan's sentiments here as well. A lot of your problems are with local not central government. Try and get your facts straight and stop spreading rumours.

    1. TeHamua

      Gosman, you best read the article again..... you're wrong! I don't see anyone spreading anything.... READ IT PROPERLY!!!!

    2. DigitalMaori

      THanks Te Hamua for your comments - Gosman, we began by asking is it rumour or is it fact and then suggest that it is a rumour and present the how the rumour got started (and because it has significant links to the Food Bill, we felt it was prudent to provide some details about what is going on (from OUR perspective). We are very clear tho - saying: "But no on the face of it hangi being banned is not on the Key-lead National government’s 100-day policy goals" However we DO go on to raise concerns that are not just ours but what commentators are saying around the world about NZ's impending food bill. No rumours are being spread at all, just more questions being asked about what the govt is doing and how their laws will impact on whanau, hapu, iwi and marae.

    3. TE KIRA

      NOBODYS ASSUMING IT IS WHAT IT IS. U NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU START SAYING THINGS. THESE ARE REAL PEOPLE WHO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THEIR CULTURE AND TRADITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THE DAY OUR ANCESTORS ARRIVED HERE. IF WE WERE TO SIT BACK AND WATCH IT ALL PLAY OUT WE WOULD WATCH ONE OF OUR MOST TREASURED TRADITIONS BE WASHED AWAY FOR EVER. THIS IS WHO WE ARE AND PART OF WHAT MAKES US WHO WE ARE. I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT I AM SURE THAT ALL MAORI OF NEW ZEALAND ARE PROUD TO BE MAORI AND PROUD TO KNOW THAT HANGIS WILL BE HERE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME JUST AS OUR ANCESTORS WOULD BE. WE ARE NOT MAKING A BIG THING ABOUT IT WE ARE STANDING UP FOR WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR. WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF THIS LAND. AND NO ONE OR NOTHING WILL EVER TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US.

  8. Iconic Age

    If selling off our assets isn't enough, putting the boot in and R.I.P our national food, is just asking for trouble. Key's is already stirring up race relations, to the point where even inactive Maori are now starting to get involved.

  9. Pokai4life

    This is the food bill agreement.... ( I dnt think Hangi will be banned) 1. Definition of "sale" too broad A huge flaw in the Food Bill can be found on pages 38-39, in its definition of a sale. This definition is so broad that it captures every possible activity relating to food, including B'n'Bs, community gardens, marae gardens, the roadside sale of fruit and vegetables, food stalls, farmers' markets, even the swapping of seeds and produce between home gardeners. Page 38-39: 12 Meaning of sale (1) In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, sale, in relation to food,— (a) means selling food for processing and handling or for human consumption; and (b) includes—      (i) reselling food for processing and handling or for human consumption; and      (ii) offering food or attempting to sell food, or receiving or having food in possession for sale, or exposing food for sale, or sending or delivering food for sale, or causing or permitting food to be sold, offered, or exposed for sale; and       (iii) bartering food; and      (iv) selling, or offering to sell, any thing of which any food forms a part; and       (v) supplying food, together with any accommodation, service, or entertainment, as part of an inclusive charge; and (vi) supplying food in exchange for payment or in relation to which payment is to be made in a shop, hotel, restaurant, at a stall, in or on a craft or vehicle, or any other place; and  (vii) for the purpose of advertisement or to promote any trade or business, offering food as a prize or reward to the public, whether on payment of money or not, or giving away food; and (viii) exporting food; and (ix) every other method of disposition of food for valuable consideration. 2. Community group fundraisers and people wanting to trade food for personal development limited to 20 times a year Community groups selling food as part of a fundraiser will be able to get away with it up to 20 times a year, if they abide by information set out in the Food Handler Guidance (pages 87-88). Anything over that will be deemed a commercial affair and need to operate under a registered food control plan or a national programme. Note: Community organisations selling food in a permanent stall as an aside to their normal activities are exempt from needing to be registered. Page 89 94 Exemption if trading in food is for charitable purpose  (1) This section applies if a person or an organisation (whether a body corporate or not)— (a) trades in food for a charitable purpose; and (b) carries out trading in food for that purpose— (i) on a non-commercial scale; and (ii) on either of the following:  (A) an infrequent basis that does not exceed, regardless of the location, more than 20 occasions in each calendar year; or (B) a regular or frequent basis so long as the trading is an ancillary or incidental component of activities being undertaken by the person or organisation at the place where the trading occurs (for example, a permanent stall selling donated food at a hospice). (2) The person or organisation is exempt from the requirement to operate under a registered food control plan or a national programme. (3) However, the person or organisation must operate under any food handler guidance that applies to the trade in food concerned. (4) In this section, charitable purpose includes every charitable purpose, whether it relates to the relief of poverty, the advancement of education or religion, or any other matter beneficial to the community. 94A Exemption if trading in food is for personal development purpose (1) This section applies if a person or group of persons— (a) trades in food for a personal development purpose; and (b) carries out trading in food for that purpose— (i) on a non-commercial scale; and (ii) on an infrequent basis that does not exceed, regardless of the location, more than 20 occasions in each calendar year. (2) The person or group is exempt from the requirement to operate under a registered food control plan or a national programme. (3) However, the person or group must operate under any food handler guidance that applies to the trade in food concerned. (4) In this section, personal development purpose means a purpose that relates to the intellectual, emotional, physical, social,  cultural, or other personal development of a person or members of a group. 3. Small-scale food traders  Small enterprises that want to sell or barter more than 20 times a year will either have to operate under a registered food control plan or a national programme, or they will have to apply for exemption individually. This is a huge waste of time and resources, and I think will discourage small-scale food trading like individual stall-holders at farmers markets, B'n'Bs, roadside produce stalls and more. Page 6: "Very small-scale food traders, or “cottage industries” are not distinguished in the bill. It would be difficult to quantify “small-scale” in terms of profit, quantity of product, or number of people involved in the operation, and it is also difficult to define a “cottage” food industry. Doing so could have the effect of inappropriately including or excluding particular food-trading activities. Therefore we do not recommend a generic “cottage industry” provision, and propose instead that any exemption from the requirement to operate under a food control plan or national programme regulations could be made on a case-by-case basis through the exercise of the chief executive’s exemption power under this clause."

    1. DigitalMaori

      Thanks for that - very useful, so more then 20 a year requires a registered food plan... I wonder if that is more then 20 fundraisers or 20 hangi fundraisers (i.e. 10 sausage sizzles and 10 hangi or 20 hangi and 20 sausage sizzles) - any particulars on that? Because 20 fundraisers a year is not much...

  10. Parerangi

    That's what's wrong with our culture today??We have no culture anymore, it's been stripped from us just like our Reo or language, our heritage, the meaning of Maori, our Independence, our Mana, our history, our cultural rights and beliefs and now they are looking at restricting how we will be able to cook hangi in the future. I've heard of Tai Restaurants & Takeaways, European Restaurants and takeaways, Chinese Restaurants and takeaways,Turkish Restaurants and takeaways but I suppose if there was a Hangi Shop it wouldn't really be a traditional hangi because it had to be cooked in a man made hangi cooker. What do we have left that we can call our culture. What does that say for John Keys when John Keys shows how he is rejecting our culture, language, & tikanga like he has been, like not partaking in the eating of our kai at Waitangi Day,yes it is an insult to our people,doesn't that defeat the purpose of celebrating Waitangi day?, isn't to celebrate the partnership between the Queen and The Maori. Isn't the government body under the Queen of England? or have I been totally misinformed? Back in the days people were considered a threat and couldn't be trusted if gifts or food offering were rejected by the other party. So what does that say for how John Keys is doing what he's doing. Does that mean he is a threat to our culture? Will Maori culture cease to exists in the future?

    1. Haki

      I'm not a fan of John Keys like many of my people but in his defence on this issue of not staying for the hakari, I'm pretty sure he was acting on the advice of his security people. If they considered there was a serious threat to his safety they wouldn't have let him stay even if he wanted to.

      1. Ania

        John Key never stayed for the Kai because: 1) He dosnt like maori kai, 2) if he did he wouldnt be practicing what he preaches (ie: Food Bill(and the media would be down on that in a flash-"John Key preaches Food Safety via the Food Bill-Yet Partakes in the Forbidden Fruit at Waitangi-Do as i say not as i do". 3) He is not pro Maori-it's obvious in everything he says & does. 4) I was always told growing up-"always be good friends with the cook because you never know what they might do to your food" I dont think Johnny was very friendly with the cooks hahahaha!!! :D

    2. Ania

      Oh & yes yes yes & yes...in my opinion he is a threat to our culture and NZ as a whole individual identity he wants to join forces with Australian PM and wants NZ to become another island of Australia like "Thursday Island" after he slowly but surely strips away everything that makes us unique! Mark my words the only thig for it imho is to vote Green Party they are the only ones who are fighting the food bill.

  11. HRE

    Apart from the odd hakari at the pa, the only time I get to eat hangi is when someone is selling tickets for a school or other community kaupapa. So Morgan, I think there is a strong chance the food bill will impact on the way we access such kai (think rewana, fried bread at galas...) I think that if this is a kaupapa that raises the ire of rangatahi then harness it, use this to educate rangatahi that political awareness, proactivity and voting is a must! Why do National not care about what the Maori/Mana MPs vote on asset sales etc? Because they have the numbers anyway. Could a higher voter turnout have changed this? Yes because often it is the young,less well off people who don't vote. They are also less inclined to vote National too. More active rangatahi may mean these bills are considered more fairly. (National are probably less inclined to fundraise by growing and selling kai. They are more likely to buy shares in SOEs though!

  12. DigitalMaori

    Here is a good comment from TW.com's Facebook page: "Apparently there was a news article in Wgton"s Dominion Post about a week ago, that if anyone was to have a Hangi, rather than notify the Fire Department solely, you now have to pay and purchase a permit from the council . May be it is a flow on from that, in the same article it also said that homemade preserves cannot be sold any more at local stalls, they are going to be completely banned, when who knows...Health and Safety Regulations....porangi bureaucrats."

    1. Morgan Godfery

      If this was true, meaning if you need a council permit, then that would be a local government issue covered by local regulations as opposed to order in council or legislation. It's becoming easier to see how the confusion has come up now.

  13. bertz

    Rumour or not,but some whanau sell hangi to fundraise 4 various reasons,therefore it is seen by some as being caught under the CRAPPY food bill.

  14. Morgan Godfery

    Yeah, that was probably the best thing to do. The storm around it is starting to get pretty nasty, but at least people who usually wouldn't engage with political issues seem to be doing so now. Pity it takes a threat to hangi ti get people motivated.

  15. DigitalMaori

    true that Morgan, but we thought it made sense to deal to it directly, as there was quite a bit of buzz going on, the food bill IS at the heart of it and what will happen as a result of it passing might mean things like hangi fundraisers become harder to organise. But as you pointed out (and as we did) NO it's not govt policy (explicitly anyway) ;)

    1. DigitalMaori

      and it will effect us here in Rotorua because there are a LOT of hangi being sold to help support marae and maori/iwi organisations - so there will be consequences as a result.

  16. Morgan Godfery

    This is not on the Government's agenda. It's a stupid rumour started, probably, by an even stupider person. It is unlikely hangi will be caught under the food bill as the bill covers food exchanges (think selling, bartering and so on).

    1. Ania

      But it includes comunity gardens: most Marae food (including our Hangi) is supplied by a Marae based comunity garden and by Koha (a form of food exchange) some Marae (like our own) pay members to dive for koura/crayfish, kina, paua etc all of this is a form of selling, buying & barter. Also i live in a tourist industrial town and the only way we can make the marae function is by charging large groups of either Maori or Tauiwi (others) for accomodation incl food. (iii) bartering food; and (iv) selling, or offering to sell, any thing of which any food forms a part; and (v) supplying food, together with any accommodation, service, or entertainment, as part of an inclusive charge so on the contrary...it is MOST likely Hangi will come under the food bill legislation & Marae like our own will be unable to function!

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